#WhenWalesIsIndependent: Building the Wales of the future


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Capitalist and Welshnash
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Capitalist and Welshnash

The kind of Wales you are talking about sounds like one where civil liberties are of secondary importance, and I would spend my life fighting it. What Wales needs is to break Labour hegemony at all costs. It is damaging this country more than anything since the Acts of Union. Walk around the Valleys, look at the disparagement. That’s what 100 years of Labour has done. Don’t blame Westminster, let’s look in the mirror and take responsibility. Labour’s Conformity is not the answer. E. g. Conscripting young people into a corps. It’s authoritarian, and it’s wrong. Also, mass building of… Read more »

jasrob
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jasrob

Strongly agree , CapNash!
Most of us have already thought about the national electricity, rail, water and prison stuff, so that’s possible.
But a lot of this fist in the air, red scarf in the sunset, gives me the gulag willies.
Only capitalism will get the wagon rolling. I see small government, lower taxes for industry and even lower for families
enabling them to live in architect designed, multi income private housing communities with their own primary schools
and area heating systems. And that’s just the beginning…………………

bengwalchmai
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bengwalchmai

Hey both, This is great to see – exactly the kind of responses I’d both expected and hoped for. Thanks for them. That’s why I wrote, “It isn’t up to me to articulate other future Waleses. It’s up to the young Tories and the young liberals and whoever else wishes to fight their corner to articulate those other future identities – my future is a socialist future.” I’d just like to clarify my WEC suggestion a little: I think it a pragmatic answer to the call for a return to National Service but also something that gives to society for… Read more »

CambroUiDunlainge
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CambroUiDunlainge

If this was all about Balance we’d be talking about ideas that are more ideologically centrist mirroring the bulk of voter who are not politically aligned. 😉

Not sure we can pick and choose where and when balance is necessary – it either is or is not. An example being Socialism has a strong support in Wales – but that’s because the system has become so unequal. The voter will bring balance.

jasrob
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jasrob

Okay, Ben. Six days later and maybe a few like ‘self might have bent a little on the WEC, as it might give our youth a
feeling of fellowship. When I was thinking of this, though, I only saw young men, not women. Don’t Israeli women
take part to some extent?

JE Lloyd
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JE Lloyd

A period of public / national service is no more authoritarian than the state claiming part of your earnings and property (aka taxation). I don’t really like “isms” of any kind because they involve the direction of policy by ideological dogma rather than the needs and interests of real people and communities. Nonetheless I find much in this programme that is appealing, whatever the author chooses to call it

JE Lloyd
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JE Lloyd

And I agree that effective government of Wales and the development of a dynamic economy is not possible without an efficient national transport system. At this point, the focus should be on major rail investments, including the North-South link

Warren Davies
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Warren Davies

I’m not saying that I agree or disagree with the proposals, but it is great to hear some specific ideas of what an independent Wales could do. This kind of thing gets people’s imaginations going. Independence for its own sake, or for historic or governance reasons just isn’t going to excite the general public.

Plaid Cymru ran a website a few years back as part of the their ‘Million Conversations’ campaign. This website was excellent for allowing anyone to post and/or discuss different ideas for Wales. Sadly the website, ‘Million Ideas’ is now closed.

Davydh Trethewey (@MawKernewek)
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How does the governance of NATO work? Is it one country one vote, such that as a member Cymru would have the same amount of influence in decision making as the USA? Or is it contributionist such that it depends on how much different countries are funding NATO activities. How would this be counted, since to do so would be necessary to separate ‘national’ from ‘NATO’ activities of each country’s military. Being in NATO might make Wales a target for the Russians or Chinese in the event of a war, but in a total war it could be anyway, NATO… Read more »

ERNEST
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ERNEST

Agree that conscription sounds too authoritarian. There should be incentives for young people to take a career in engineering: I found that career has good job satisfaction. As an independent nation Wales (nor Scotland or Ireland for that matter) should not be inviting that USA led imperialist block NATO onto our lands. They have a record of supporting colonial powers in the past 70 years including Against Vietnam’s independence, sided with colonial wars of pre-1974 Portugal in Africa, Overthrew the elected government in Chile in 1973, Yugoslavia, and Libya ! In fact, Libya was one of the richest countries in… Read more »

Eos Pengwern
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Eos Pengwern

As another mid-Wales based Nationalist but with a bent towards small-government, pro-business solutions, I see things in this article to strongly support and vehemently oppose in equal measure, and I’m glad that Ben has anticipated that response.

Overall, though, I’m delighted to see the debate move beyond “Should Wales be Independent?” to “What sort of a country should an independent Wales be?”

Capitalist and Welshnash
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Capitalist and Welshnash

Labour has always periodically drifted towards authoritarianism.

That’s not an independent Wales worth fighting for. It’s an independent Wales worth laying down your life if need be to fight against.

Wales is better than Left-wing Authoritianism.

CambroUiDunlainge
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CambroUiDunlainge

I’d kind of feel there’s an authoritarianism in there as others have said. I think that’s the real threat to democracy. It can surface from any ideology and and from any form of governance. It may work in the short run but we do not know what tomorrow may bring and how those leading our nation tomorrow may react (this is why I’m so vehemently against a nation built around any ideology – it does not reflect the bulk of the electorate to do this). Independence right now is all about tomorrow – its possibilities but also its pitfalls and… Read more »

Benjiman L. Angwin
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Benjiman L. Angwin

Well, we can agree. Remarkable this life is.

Aled Gwyn Job
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Some good points here from Ben Gwalchmai, but I’m afraid that his vision for a future socialist Wales leaves me cold. Especially when one bears in mind that “socialism” has been the defining attribute of the Labour Party which has mis-managed Wales so dreadfully for the best part of a century. The challenges of setting up an Independent Wales are such that only a productive, entrepreneurial and dynamic mind-set can ensure that it can be a success. That has to mean a much expanded private sector, and an instinctive drive to turn Wales into the best small country in the… Read more »

Dafydd Thomas
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Dafydd Thomas

I have to agree with you Aled. What is Ben thinking when he wants “a mass building of social housing”. At present we in Wales are providing large numbers of social housing in response to the needs of England. Where both English Tory and English labour authorities are pushing people out, especially those who have psychological and physical problems who are therefore unable to work and are expensive to keep i.e. High health and social care costs. Better spend money on infrastructure and get the economy going and give opportunities to our young people. I have to admire Ben taking… Read more »

Michael Matthews
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To achieve all that would require us to cut all ties with Westminster, something l would fully support.

sibrydionmawr
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Along with others, I would be vehemently opposed to the idea of a conscripted WEC. There may well be a need for some kind of national service offering that is voluntary, that offers young people an opportunity to spend some time both working on projects of social benefit to our nation, and also acquiring experience of working life in a safe and supportive environment with others of a similar age. It could become something of a ‘right of passage’ for those transitioning to adulthood. It could be a very positive environment that allows young people to find out about their… Read more »

Trailorboy
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Trailorboy

I really like this and the tone is really uplifting and positive.

jasrob
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jasrob

hands up all those who live on a council estate and like it.

Graham John Hathaway
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Graham John Hathaway

I don’t find conscription too alien a term. It’s on what basis. It’s important to define what it means and its terms of use. It’s far better than unemployment, or working in a ‘revolving door’ of short term nothing jobs. Nothing feeds crime more than idleness. I like much of this report. Work brings association. Identity. Let’s not look backwards and point blame. I fear the force of greater alienation of the lower order of achievers as we become more technical and the demands for higher level thinking and competencies of modern working practices. Where does AI fit in. What… Read more »